Jesus was a composite creation
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05-10-2014, 10:05 AM
(This post was last modified: 05-10-2014 01:49 PM by Gary DeVaney.)
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RE: Jesus was a composite creation
My dear Brother Sajih,
Once again, you seem to fall back on the internet excuse. I thought I made myself clearer when I mentioned that you can find the evidence and stories about the multitude of individuals who all had almost identical stories to Jesus Christ. If I was indeed going to a court of law to prove that the bible is a fabrication, all I have to do is bring with me a dozen or so history books from the 60's and 70's (before the internet was around), that talk about ancient cultures including some of the religious figures that Jesus's life was mirrored from. The nail in the coffin would be to show evidence from the records that survived Constantine's meeting in 325AD, that the name Jesus Christ (or Hesus Krishna) was voted upon and put into existence at that meeting in 325AD. I will then ask the judge of this court case, at this point in the evidence, to declare any document with Jesus's name on it, that purports to be from before the year 325AD, as a forgery and inadmissible as evidence as we have just proved that Constantine made up that name in 325AD. Then to further prove my court case, I would introduce into evidence the one feature that stands out prominently within the bible stories about Jesus that shows how people claimed to know Jesus far and wide, not only by a great multitude of followers but by the great priests, the Roman governor Pilate, and Herod who claims that he had heard "of the fame of Jesus" (Matt 14:1)". One need only read Matt: 4:25 where it claims that "there followed him [Jesus] great multitudes of people from Galilee, and from Decapolis, and from Jerusalem, and from Judea, and from beyond Jordan." The bible mentions, countless times, the great multitude that followed Jesus and crowds of people who congregated to hear him. So crowded had some of these gatherings grown, that Luke 12:1 alleges that an "innumerable multitude of people... trode one upon another." Luke 5:15 says that there grew "a fame abroad of him: and great multitudes came together to hear..." The persecution of Jesus in Jerusalem drew so much attention that all the chief priests and scribes, including the high priest Caiaphas, not only knew about him but helped in his alleged crucifixion. (see Matt 21:15-23, 26:3, Luke 19:47, 23:13). The multitude of people thought of Jesus, not only as a teacher and a miracle healer, but a prophet (see Matt:14:5). So here we have the gospels portraying Jesus as famous far and wide, a prophet and healer, with great multitudes of people who knew about him, including the greatest Jewish high priests and the Roman authorities of the area, and not one person records his existence during his lifetime? If the poor, the rich, the rulers, the highest priests, and the scribes knew about Jesus, who would not have heard of him? If these stories are really true about Jesus, then he would have been the most well known person in the world at that time. And as the judge of this court case asks me to get to the point that I'm trying to make, I will tell him that it would be impossible that not a single historian, philosopher, scribe or follower who lived during the alleged time of Jesus, ever mentioned in their writings of a Jesus (or any one else by any other name for that matter) doing these miraculous activities! Take, for example, the works of Philo Judaeus whose birth occurred in 20 BC and died 50 AD. He lived as the greatest Jewish-Greek philosopher and historian of the time and lived in the area of Jerusalem during the alleged life of Jesus. He wrote detailed accounts of the Jewish events that occurred in the surrounding area. Yet not once, in all of his volumes of writings, do we read a single account of Jesus or anyone else doing the things that Jesus was suppose to have done." Nor do we find any mention of Jesus or any of his activities in Seneca's (4 BC - 65 AD) writings, nor from the historian Pliny the Elder (23 BC - 79 AD). All of the above evidence could be attained without the use of the internet at all. The only evidence we have of Jesus is from hearsay testimony written long after the purported "witnesses" had lived. This is because the early church leaders had to retrospectively create the history of Jesus to give him more believability. But belief alone cannot produce historical fact, and claims that come from nothing but hearsay do not amount to an honest attempt to get at the facts. And as everyone knows, courts do not allow hearsay testimony to be admitted as evidence. Moreover, consider that the hearsay comes from ancient and unknown people that no longer live. Unfortunately, belief and faith substitute as knowledge in many people's minds and nothing, not even direct evidence thrust on the feet of their claims, could possibly change their minds. They usually have some lame excuse such as "the devil has erased all the evidence", or "God is testing our faith", or something along those lines to conveniently deny the overwhelming evidence right in front of their faces. Yes, we have many stories, myths and beliefs of a Jesus. But if we wish to establish the facts of history, we cannot even begin to put together a knowledgeable account without at least a few reliable first-hand eyewitness accounts (not hearsay accounts written by authors hundreds of years after the supposed events occurred). Of course a historical Jesus may have existed, perhaps based loosely on a living human even though his actual history got lost, but this amounts to nothing but speculation. However we do have an abundance of evidence supporting the mythical evolution of Jesus. Virtually every detail in the gospel stories occurred in Pagan and/or Hebrew stories, long before the advent of Christianity. We simply do not have a shred of evidence to determine the historicity of a Jesus Christ. We only have evidence for the belief of Jesus. It would be at this point that I would rest my case. My dear Brother Sajih, keep asking those questions, especially questions to yourself. You show great promise. Your mind is almost freed, but you're not there yet. You can be a great spokesperson for the truth. You know how to make good videos and you know how to make a good website. These are valuable tools for the fight against the lies about God. And you are wrong about the God we both love - he is the same God. He is the ONLY God. At least we both agree on that point. May God keep blessing you. Gary |
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Jesus was a composite creation - Gary DeVaney - 05-07-2014, 08:53 PM
RE: Jesus was a composite creation - Sajih - 05-08-2014, 12:24 AM
RE: Jesus was a composite creation - Gary DeVaney - 05-08-2014, 09:10 PM
RE: Jesus was a composite creation - Sajih - 05-08-2014, 11:40 PM
RE: Jesus was a composite creation - Gary DeVaney - 05-09-2014, 06:54 PM
RE: Jesus was a composite creation - Sajih - 05-09-2014, 08:03 PM
RE: Jesus was a composite creation - Gary DeVaney - 05-10-2014 10:05 AM
RE: Jesus was a composite creation - Sajih - 05-10-2014, 04:48 PM
RE: Jesus was a composite creation - GarethM - 05-10-2014, 09:18 PM
RE: Jesus was a composite creation - Gary DeVaney - 05-11-2014, 11:18 AM
RE: Jesus was a composite creation - Sajih - 05-11-2014, 02:23 PM
RE: Jesus was a composite creation - Marwan - 05-15-2014, 12:24 PM
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