Orlando shootings

[James Vilar]

Hi Eric,

Those are very valid points you make. And I have to say I agree with all of them. Buit I would like to offer my viewpoint about this as well. What I think Sajih was saying is that the world is so messed up, and God is so disappointed with the human race, that he's letting it fall apart, and letting the devil do these things unimpeded. I don't think Sajih actually believes that God commanded a man to run down those people in a truck. That's how I see it anyway.

But anyway, I'm glad you are sticking around Eric. We're not that many in numbers, and we lost George & Baidu already because of this misunderstanding.

God bless you all.

[Sajih]

Thanks brother Eric for your input

“ I am really sorry for everyone”........... that I was clearly misunderstood!!!



I thought I made my point in the previous posts

Crystal clear....................... as Our brother James correctly commented
with “FULL” and “CLEAR” evidence..... not from my lips
but from the words of God and Jesus in the scriptures


It is amazing how you overlooked the clear verse from the Quran that was provided with regards to killing innocent souls

and went on and on................................ to give me the widespread public view

on clear “HEAERSAY” evidence....................... with regard to 72 virgins given as a reward for these despicable acts ,

I really would love for you
to enlighten all of us and
produce this piece of evidence from the Quran to support your view

Remember my dear brother ........Hearsay evidence does .....“NOT”.................. stand up in court




Any way

Enough said

I have taken your opinions on board with an open mind

And wish you all the best

I cannot stress the importance of pursuing knowledge
For it is empowering



I want you to take a look at the following material that is supported by "clear" evidence from our scriptures

which gives us a better understanding
as

To what is really.......................................................going on around us
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9nPFi2sxF6Q



http://endtimepilgrim.org/edomites.htm



Remember!.............................................. we can never................................. stop learning


With love always
sajih

[EricB]

Hi James,
I can see what you mean, and I think your take on this was correct. I just re-read everything Sajih wrote, and it does seem obvious that he was referring to God allowing the devil to do his evil work on us, rather than God himself ordering these maniacs to commit these atrocities. Sorry Sajih about the misunderstanding. And George and Baidu...if you are reading this, please reconsider and come back here to us because this was just a bad misunderstanding.

I think we are all so outraged about these events that its sometimes hard to think straight. Also, there is this immediate sense of due justice we all feel when we hear about these events, that we want the people involved to be caught and punished as fast as possible.

Now I understand what you meant Sajih, when you compared the bombings in Syria with these terrorist acts. Both are the work of the devil. The fact that one group of people claim to be doing God's will is irrelevant.

What got me confused and upset is how you used these events as examples of God's will. I didn't understand is that you meant God had forsaken us and is allowing satan to do these things. I took it the wrong way and thought you meant that God himself had sanctioned and organised the terrorist acts himself by commanding some lunatic to run over people with a truck, etc. This was clearly wrong thinking.

But if I may please...I still think that these awful events should not be used as examples simply out of respect for the victims and their families. Imagine for a moment that it was your child that got run over and killed by a truck on purpose, and then reading somewhere that this happened because of God allowing it to happen due to his disappointment with the human race. Reading something like that would not make you feel any better, and might even turn you away from God.

So I would like to repeat my suggestion...when it comes to these kind of tragedies, let's Just condemn the tragedy and say how bad we feel for the victims and their families, and just leave it at that.

On another topic, I would like to address where I got the 72 virgins thing:
You are correct Sajih, the Quran does not specifically mention 72 virgins anywhere. However, the Quran does state that all martyrs will go to Heaven and shall be granted the company of MORE THAN ONE houri. Translation of "houri" can be virgins, pure beings, angels, etc. While the Quran does not use the number 72, it does say "more than one". The number 72 comes from a hadith with a weak chain of narrators, and not the Quran. But the point is that these murderous brainwashed martyrs that blow up/run over innocent people, think they are going to heaven and be rewarded with God's acceptance and be granted with multiple "houris". They have no idea that they are just tools of satan, who got brainwashed into thinking that they are servants of God doing God's will. This is very dangerous because an otherwise normal human being can easily justify mass murder if he thinks that it is part of God's plans and he's just an instrument of God. How else can you explain someone willing to strap explosives to their bodies and walk in a crowded place and blow themselves up?

So Sajih, please accept my apologies about the misunderstanding.

Blessings to all,
Eric

[Sajih]

Matthew 18:21-22

Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister who sins against me? Up to seven times?”

22 Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.[g]




To My dear brother and to all my dear brothers who have not decided to remain here.

My purpose here is not for the selfishness of "me"


but for the purpose of shining the light on the Truth of God in all his scriptures so people from all religions can awake from their deep sleep called "deceit"

which is clearly what you and I and the rest of our past and present members were born into



I want to address something which brother James.............. seems to be worried about

which is normal for any of us to feel.... for we are mere ................humans

I am going to explain it through a real life experience that crossed my path not too long ago.




One day whilst at work
I was approached by what seemed a very sophisticated male and female with a magazine in their hand


they were dressed so elegantly and spoke with a crystal clear American/Canadian accent..... that I felt a bit inferior and a little bit intimidated.

They were asking deep..... roundabout .........questions about what I think is going on around the world and what it might be leading to.

When I replied it is written in the scriptures especially in the book of revelations
they both happily looked at each other and stated


"This person understands what we are on about."

and with that
the male came forward with confidence to introduce the magazine.

the first words he arrogantly spoke to me whilst pointing his finger to what seemed to be some sort of figure on the top right hand side of this magazine was.



"Do you realize we have 53 million editions of this magazine circulating per month?"




Well what an introduction!


I was a bit overwhelmed at first ...................but then I gathered my thoughts and gave him this reply.


"Do you honestly think God cares about numbers?"



And with that they both asked with intent........... what do you mean?



I proceeded to ask them politely?



Can you please tell me............................... "How many people survived the floods with Noah?"


and they naively replied ...around 8 people



Then I asked them
Can you please tell me .........................how many people survived the complete destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah?

And they replied three...the lady went on further to comment

"Even his wife became a pillar of salt"



Then I asked them .................................."roughly what was the population around at the time of Noah?

they replied...." we dont exactly know but around 30 million."



And I asked

how many people were around at the time of Lot?

They again said "Not sure but maybe one million"



And with that I stated



"Out of a population of around 31 million people only around 11 people survived the eternal fire of hell

and here you are proudly shoving this magazine in my face...... trying to intimidate me like you clearly do others........... with your numbers!

You see now why God has no regard for numbers!!!!

My advice to you my friends.................... is to save your sorry asses from the same fate
as those before you!

And with that they took off in a fluster!




The other point I want to make is for my dear brother Eric and those like him.

Just because the word Martyr exists in the Quran......." it does not mean"....... it is referring to...” terrorism”

This is why I have exhausted my energy to download articles and links especially with regard to the true history of Islam in order for everyone ................including Muslims themselves

to gain a better understanding of the Quran which for the most part is difficult to digest

This verse you were referring to is tied in to a particular time in history where Mohammad was forced to fight against his enemies some of which were Arab Pagans.
for the cause of God........ just as Moses and Joshua did before him as outlined in "God then history 1&2 posts" and in the following
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/says_a...lywar.html





here is Damning evidence from the Quran itself that God and Mohammad are against those that we see on our T.V. screens each day

who proudly

call themselve "Sunni" "Shiite" " Alawite' e.t.c. e.t.c.


Surah 6:159
Indeed, those who have divided their religion and become sects - you, [O Muhammad], are not [associated] with them in anything. Their affair is only [left] to Allah ; then He will inform them about what they used to do.

It is crystal clear from the above verse that none of the factions of Islam are going to paradise but rather to the eternal fire of hell with their founders
for they clearly do not follow the truth of the Quran that was revealed to Mohammad....... but rather the corruption of the false invention of the "Hadiths"

just as none of the Christian factions are going to heaven as they have been deceived into believing but rather to eternal hell with
with their founding Father Paul

just as those Jews who follow the preaching of the false Pharisees and the corrupt teachings of the "Talmud and Mishnah"..... in clear defiance to the truth of the Torah




It is vital we take the time to read and re-examine what we read
for I assure you all

despite the numerous times I have cross referenced the scriptures I still overlook a lot of important information which I am still discovering with the passing of each day.





More importantly we should never ever lose site of the fact that

we should always give true witness to the truth of our Everliving and Ever-
merciful God

and to all his prophets


no matter how difficult the situation may be as Jesus our “ONLY TEACHER” stipulated in
Gospel of Barnabas
190.
'Tell me, brother, thou that art a doctor learned in the law—in whom was the promise of the Messiah made to our father Abraham? In Isaac or in Ishmael?'



The scribe answered: 'O master, I fear to tell thee this, because of the penalty of death.'


Then said Jesus: 'Brother, I am grieved that I came to eat bread in thy house, since thou lovest this present life more than God thy creator; and for this cause thou fearest to lose thy life, but fearest not to lose the faith and the life eternal, which is lost when the tongue speaketh contrary to that which the heart knoweth of the law of God.'



Then the good scribe wept, and said: 'O master, if I had known how to bear fruit, I should have preached many things which I have left unsaid lest sedition should be roused among the people.'


Jesus answered:

'Thou shouldst respect neither the people,
nor all the world,
nor all the holy ones,
nor all the angels,......................................... when it should cause offence to God.

Wherefore let the whole [world] perish rather than offend God thy creator, and preserve it not with sin.


For sin destroyeth and preserveth not, and God is mighty to create as many worlds as there are sands in the sea, and more.'



for what it is worth I have no hard feelings against no-one )))



May the truth..................................... always prevail


Your loving brother in God ................... always

sajih