How many has God killed?

[Sajih]

It is great to see that you have understood exodus 20:3-7

Anyone who reads the above verse
Would clearly understand why we had all the atrocities in the bible for God has made it clear to everyone and from the very beginning

the punishment for not worshiping him
So we have no right to judge him or his law

I am glad you talked about Constantine because that reinforces our message that the true bible was not the one which that butcher put together but rather
The Gospel of Barnabas as we covered in the 10 part-series

However my friend as I told your colleague earlier in Mr.Devany that does not mean we dismiss all the writings of the prophets and the entire bible as false
We have already produced the Truth from the Bible

Whether you choose to agree with it or not is your provocative
We have led the horse to water but we cannot force it to drink

In the beginning of this post you stated you believe in exodus 20:3-7 in the end of your posting you have shown us your hypocrisy by dismissing Gods word both in the Torah and bible
as nothing

Once again I put it to you that .....you do not believe in God nor his prophets
And it is clear your agenda is to sow the seeds of doubts into people's minds
I suggest you go elsewhere where you are comfortable and able to interact with fools such as yourself
For you neither know the power of our God nor his scriptures

I wish you the very best and hope you find what you are looking for which clearly is not on our website

And we pray for you to come out of the deepest darkness

and into the light of the One True God
and Jesus Christ whom he sent as a Servant Prophet and Messenger
Amen !

[Henry]

And finally…you resort to making false accusations and assumptions about me.

I have no agenda my friend. I do not want to sow the “seeds of doubt” as you so cruelly put it. In fact it is the opposite that I want to achieve…I want to sow the seeds of truth.

But no matter what I say, it would be a futile effort here on your website. One day you will come to realize that I was right, and that you were wasting valuable time & effort on upholding & promoting the Bible. One day you will finally believe that the Bible was written by bullies & fools many hundreds of years ago.

Since you asked me to move on (you suggested I go elsewhere), I will respect your wishes and never come back here again. This is your site after all, and you are in your right to exile anyone that doesn’t agree with you. This will be my final post and visit here.

Good luck to you, I have high hopes for you yet.

I go in peace & love,
Henry Paine

[Gary DeVaney]

Shame on you Sajih.

You have banished Henry from your site simply because he didn’t agree with your views. He was polite and articulate in explaining the things he believed in. He was friendly and never lost his temper. He said his only agenda was that he wanted you to love God and be a righteous person that lives by his good conscience. That sounds innocent enough to me. Why would that scare you into banishing him from your website.

You on the other hand, come across as abusive and a bully. You are also a bit scary to be honest, especially with your veiled acceptance of the recent French massacre by those extremist. You probably feel that those murder victims deserved to die for insulting the prophet Muhammad.

You are coming across as a borderline extremist with your apparent acceptance of the warped punishment that was served up in France in that Charlie Hedbo incident, by those Islamic extremist. Not condemning something horrible is almost as bad as committing it yourself. You almost seem to be praising the actions of those murderers. And why do you seem so accepting of this evil act…is it because you see it as proof that God still kills people for making fun of his prophets, even in the year 2015?

And as for those earthquakes that you oddly used as further examples of God’s modern punishments. Well I got news for you buddy… earthquakes happen because the Earth's crust is broken into pieces called tectonic plates, which are constantly moving towards & away from, or past each other. An earthquake occurs when the rocks break and move as a result of stresses caused by tectonic plate movement. Some cities (like San Francisco, Tokyo, Istanbul, and a few others), are built right on top of some gaping fault lines, and these cities experience massive earthquakes every 50 years or so. This is a geological fact…not the wrath of God. Scientist are also getting better at predicting these earthquakes, but they still have a long way to go.

You make yourself look ignorant crediting these earthquakes to God somehow.

I will join Henry in exiting this website for good. This will be my last post here as well. I’m actually too scared to stay here and talk to you any further. I wouldn’t want some lunatics with scarves covering their heads to rush into my home and shoot me and my family because I insulted the Bible or a prophet or God himself.

I bid you farewell forever.

Gary DeVaney

[Sajih]

If anyone should be ashamed it is pretenders like yourself
That claim to know God and believe in him
Yet ironically reject his scripture law and prophets
It is clear that your agenda is to defy God and his will and to put stumbling blocks in front of poor souls that are trying to find the Truth to their salvation

You are a poor excuse for a human being as you have absolutely no idea what we are here all about
If you bothered to comprehend all our postings and presentations then you would have come to the conclusion that we are trying to save souls
And not lose them
It has become clearer more now than ever before that this message is not for everyone
For it is crystal clear that the Truth makes some people feel uncomfortable such as yourself and your colleague
One important thing you have failed to comprehend amongst many others is that our God is black or white
He is not Grey as you fools perceive him to be

Never during any posting did I condone terrorism but I clearly warned of the consequences of making fun of Gods prophets

Any wise man who understood his scripture would understand that at the end of the day we all have to pay a price for our sins especially that of not worshiping the One True God
We don't have to wait for terrorist attacks to occur when God has already warned us many generations ago of the dire consequences

Your problem is that you refuse to adhere to these warnings
That is your choice
At the end of the matter it is your soul and the souls of those like you that I truly pity
For they are destined for the deepest darkness
I bid you farewell
And may you find what your looking for

[DavidS]

Something is not right here. I've got a sickening feeling in my stomach after reading this entire conversation. I am both confused and angry, but I'm not sure I can explain why. I'll go and think about it and check in later on.

[Sajih]

It is with regret that we have had these misunderstandings occur today.


I want everyone to know that at no point does this Church condone any killing of any kind. And we strongly condemn any terrorist action wherever it may occur.
No one has a right to take a life of another person no matter what. All matters belong to our God who is the judge of everyone . He judges each one of us according to our actions.



sajih

[GeorgeT]

I think something tragic has happened here. I was speaking to Gareth a few hours ago, and he told me to get on this website and read this thread. He mentioned something he was disappointed with about this thread, but made me promise not to say what it was in public.

We spoke for a couple of hours about the topic of terrorism and also about incidents in the Bible that carry a death sentence. For example, Leviticus 20:9 states that children who dishonour their parents shall be put to death. Now obviously this is not an order from God for parents to kill their children when they get out of control and won’t obey them anymore. But rather, it means that God will judge the child’s actions, and God himself will determine and execute the punishment (if any). For example, in God’s infinite wisdom, he can see when a child is speaking out of anger, and when a child is speaking from his heart. If a child is speaking out of anger, he might yell out “I wish you were dead” to his Father. But deep in his heart, the child would be very devastated if his Father died, and he truly does not want his Father dead. Only God can see what’s in someone’s heart, and can know the difference between speaking out of anger, or speaking from the heart. One is a violation of Leviticus 20:9, but the other is not. It is not for us to decide when a violation has occured, but only for God.

There are many other actions that the Bible states that carry a death penalty (like homosexuality). Obviously this is not an open invitation from God for us to kill homosexuals. But again, it is up to God to assess and make the appropriate punishment (if any).

The punishment of death could mean many things, for example being involved in a car accident can cause death. Who’s to say how many car accidents have been guided to occur by God (if any). Who’s to say how many cancer diagnosis were created by God (if any). This is not to imply that every car accident death and every cancer death is a form of punishment by God, as I'm sure many innocent people have died from car accidents and cancer. God gives us free will, and I'm sure most accidents just happen from sheer bad luck. I was just using car accidents and cancers as examples of how God could dish out the death penalty without the horror of having people commit murders (like we saw recently in France). After all, God commanded us to not kill, remember?

This is a topic that Gareth and I will be covering in depth at our next group meeting.

I go in peace, and I wish you all a good day,

George

[Marwan]

I just want to say that I have read this whole debate, and I think we have had some huge misunderstandings.

First of all, this Gary DeVaney fellow is a known troublemaker, and we’ve had him on our forum before trying to stir up doubt and trying to break up our unity.

We did not write the Bible. Long before Devaney enlightened us with his rants, we had already acknowledged, in our 10 videos, that the Bible had been altered over the years by many different people. Some of the alterations were done for deceitful purposes, and some where honest mistakes made during translations and hand scribing. For example, the word Son in Hebrew also means Servant. So perhaps "Servant of God" got mis-translated to "Son of God". This is just one example of a possible alteration due to bad translating.

Yet Devaney talks like Sajih is responsible for every little nasty thing that he finds in the Bible. It wasn’t Sajih that set loose 2 bears on those children. I also don’t think any adult believes God did this either. My personal view is that since this story is in the Old Testament, chances are it was a folkstory told to Hebrew children during the 40 years they were wandering in the desert. It would have been very successful in promoting respect & tolerance. Storytelling was big back then, considering they had very little else to entertain children with. Listening to over-the-top stories back then is the equivalent of us today watching a movie with spaceships exploding and people firing laser guns. Maybe when the Torah was written, some of these Hebrew children’s stories made it into the contents either as lessons to learn from, or maybe added in later as copies were being made by hand. Unless someone can produce the original Torah book, we will never really know.

Sajih has spent countless hours going through the Bible and cross-referencing from within the Bible itself, and with other holy books, to try to sort out truth from deceit. He has done a very good job so far considering that he’s doing it alone with no support team, no personal assistant, no budget, and no pay. I helped him only with the technical skills needed to produce the 10 videos. The content and script came from his research and from his heart. He did all this without even having employment for over a year. When his savings ran out, he finally got employment and slowed down a little with his religious research. Is he finished? Not even close. He probably revealed 5% of the corruption so far, and he’s tired and broke.

Furthermore, he has endured alienation & backstabbing from his own family, from his ethnic community, and from his former church. He has lost many friends that still go to his old church. He has lost the respect from his own family. His only reward for all this sacrifice is this website and the members that have joined Sajih in his enlightenment. People like Devaney are trying to take that away from him.

Devaney accuses Sajih of being aggressive and a bully. He also makes the absurd accusation that Sajih somehow approves of those killings in France. I know Sajih very well. As God is my witness, I can tell you right now that this couldn’t be further from the truth. Sajih would never approve of, or sympathise with individuals that commit murder...no matter the supposed holy reasons. Anyone that intentially takes the life of another is a murderer and also guilty of the most serious of the 10 holy Commandments THOU SHALL NOT KILL. If Sajih was truly approving of these murderers and sinners, I would not have him as a friend or let him near my children. And I would never help him with making videos or anything else. Both my children adore Sajih and they always ask about him.

Devaney is painting an evil picture of Sajih, and he seems to be having some success with it so far. I’m writing this post to counter any doubt about Sajih, since I am the only person on this website that knows Sajih in person.

So after all that, why does Sajih keep going with all this? It’s not because he wants to start a new religion, or wants people to donate millions of dollars to him, or for personal prestige. It’s because he feels that God has called upon him to reveal the truth hidden in the Bible. I’m one of only 2 people in this world that knew that. Now you all know it too. Please everybody…let’s show some more respect and gratitude to Sajih for all his sacrifices and efforts to save our souls. Amen.

[EricB]

We're with you Sajih. Don't let this idiot Devaney get the better of you.

Thank you for your sacrifices.

Your Brother,
Eric

[Baidu]

I was always with you in my heart. I hope I did not sound doubtful in my first message in this discussion.

We cannot thank you enough for all you been through. We are glad you are here with us.

With Blessings,
Baidu